Will We Live Blissfully Beside Muslims, Buddists and Atheists?

A letter written to http://www.iswasandwillbe; response by Mike Vinson

Posted January 10, 2012

I came across your website in pursuing a deeper relationship with Christ. I understand that your organization believes a radical view of salvation different from the traditional teachings of Christianity.

Please clarify for me. The unrepentant sinner and those who have asked Jesus Christ to be their Lord and Savior (Sinner’s Prayer) will share the same mercy and grace throughout eternity? There is no hell? No lake of fire and torment? We will live blissfully beside Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists and all who do not accept Christ’s salvation?

Regards,

J_____

Hi J____,

Thank you for your question.

You ask:

The unrepentant sinner and those who have asked Jesus Christ to be their Lord and Savior (Sinner’s Prayer) will share the same mercy and grace throughout eternity? There is no hell? No lake of fire and torment? We will live blissfully beside Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists and all who do not accept Christ’s salvation?

Your question echoes the fact that you have read very little of our website. The scriptures teach that there will be no “Muslims, Buddhists, or Atheists” in the kingdom of God, and what is written oniswasandwillbe.com makes that Biblical doctrine very clear. Sin is common to all mankind, whether Muslim, Buddhist, or Atheists, and yet we are clearly told:

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

But 1Co 6:9 is not “the sum of God’s Word concerning the fate of “mankind”, and Truth on any subject is found only in “the sum of thy Word”.

Psa 119:160 The sum of thy word is truth; And every one of thy righteous ordinances endureth for ever. (ESV)

It is my prayer that “the sum of God’s Word” is granted to be of more value to you than the sum of those who dismiss God’s Word, simply because so few supposed ‘great men of God’ accept “the sum” of God’s Word.

Since it is manifestly made clear that “neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind… shall inherit the kingdom of God”, and since it is equally clear that we “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God”, it should be amply clear that God has provided a way to change all those sinful characteristics and provide “a propitiation for our sins, but not for our sins only but for the sins of the whole world”. And that is what the scriptures actually teach from Genesis to Revelation.

Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him [sin].

This is the simple truth of the entire Bible:

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

The first “all” is “as“, or ‘in the same manner as’ the second “all”. “For as in Adam… even so in Christ…” That is what Christ, and all of His apostles taught. That is indeed “gospel”, or ‘good news’, for all mankind!

So let’s ask the simple question, “How did we all come to be ‘in Adam’?” How that was accomplished is the manner in which we will all came to be “in Christ”. “Even so in Christ will all be made alive”.

We certainly were not given the option of being “in Adam”, and neither are we given the option of accepting Christ. The Bible is very clear on this question. God is working all things after the counsel of His own will. Not just the good and righteous things, but “all things”, and He is doing so in a way that will “through your mercy” give mercy to all who are “in unbelief”.

Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

God either “shows mercy” or “He hardens”.

Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Why would God “harden” anyone? We have just been informed that “it is not of him that willeth… but of God” who either shows mercy or hardens our hearts. The answer is that God, according to His Word, is in the process of making all mankind in His image and after His likeness, and He is doing so incrementally in a three step process, “every man in his own order, Christ the firstfruits, afterward those that are Christ’s at His coming, and then comes [the harvest of all the rest of mankind at] the end [when] death [itself] will be destroyed and God will be All in all” (1Co 15:22-28).

So all those “Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists and all who do not accept Christ’s salvation” “will suffer [the] loss” of being “Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists and rejecting Christ’s salvation” “but he himself shall be saved… by fire. That is what the scriptures teach concerning the fate of all mankind. The fire of God’s Word will destroy our old man, ‘yet we ourselves will be saved… by that very same fire’. So the prophecy we were given in Genesis 4 is confirmed in the New Testament.

Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him [sin].

This web site teaches that there is a “lake of fire”, but it is noted that this is a ‘lake’. It is not the ‘sea’ which is the symbol for the masses who are to be purified in this ‘lake’.

Mat 22:14 For many [the sea of mankind at this time] are called, but few [the little lake of fire] are chosen.

It is also noted that this “lake of fire appears on the scene at the same time as something called “a great white throne”. It is not a ‘black throne’, it is a “white throne”, because it is “as by fire… [that] all mankind… shall be saved”.

Here is the scripture that tells this Truth to all who have been granted “eyes that see and ears that hear… the things of the spirit”:

1Co 3:13 Every man’s work [Every Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist and all who reject Christ] shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; andthe fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man’s work shall be burned [Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist and all who reject Christ] , he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

I simply read those words to a lady at one time, and her response was “That’s your opinion!” That is not simply my opinion, that is the Truth of the Word of God, as are all these next verses of scripture:

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be savedand to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

This is not some wistful desire on God’s part. What God wants God gets:

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

So if God “will have all men to be saved, and to come to a knowledge of the Truth” then He “will do all [His] pleasure”, and all the doctrines of men to the contrary will not stop Him.

When all these Christ-rejecting groups you mentioned, “come unto the knowledge of the Truth”, they will no longer be Muslims, Buddhists or Atheists, and they will no longer reject Christ. God can and God will “have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the Truth”, through the sufferings of the Christ within them all “each in his own order”. That is the function of “the lake of fire”. The lake of fire destroys death and the grave.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell [Greek, hades, the unseen, the grave] were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I quoted 1Co 15:22 above. Now let’s read that verse again and notice the very next verse of 1Co 15:

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming [“a kind of firstfruits”, Jas 1:18] .
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end [the later harvest of the fruit, “at the end of the year” seven weeks after the feast of the “firstfruits of [the] wheat harvest”], when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Exo 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeksof the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year’s end.

We are not begotten of our own will, but “of His own will begat He us”.

Any farmer knows that there are, “in… order”, three harvests in every year. There is a spring, a summer and a fall harvest. The fall harvest was the harvest at “the end of the year”. That is what the apostle Paul means when he tells us:

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

How are ‘all… in Adam’ going to be “made alive”?

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own orderChrist the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

That covers the first two ‘firstfruit’ harvests. Christ is the harvest of firstfruits of the barley, but the firstfruits of the wheat must also be harvested 50 days later. That is why the New Testament church had to be founded on ‘Pentecost’, which is Greek for ‘count fifty’ or seven weeks and one day. “Christ, the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at His coming” takes care of the first two harvests. But the huge harvest of “all in Adam” comes “in his own order… at the end of the year”.

Exo 34:18 The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep [Christ, the first of the firstfruits]. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.

Exo 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year’s end. 
Exo 34:23 Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.

So there they are “each in his own order”. There are three harvests, two which are referred to as “a kind of firstfruits” and one “at the end of the year”.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end [the later harvest of the fruit, “at the end of the year”] when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

James does not say ‘We of our own free will chose Christ’, rather he tells us the same thing Christ told His disciples:

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw [Greek – ‘drag’, like Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus] him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So there is no Biblical doctrine of ‘free will’, even a so-called ‘free will offering’ is, according to “the sum of God’s Word” (Psa 119:160) explained as being “from the Lord”.

Pro 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man [man’s will], and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.

So God “prepares our heart” to “both will… and do… His good pleasure”. Sure, we all must “Work out [our] own salvation”, but why do we do so? Do we do so because we “freely choose” to do so? What is Christ’s doctrine on the subject of mankind’s will? Here it is for all who are given eyes to see and ears to hear… the mysteries of the kingdom of God” (Mat 13:10-16)

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. 

Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

There it is in very clear words. God works in us “both to will and to do… His good pleasure”, God either “shows mercy” to those who He is saving at this time, or he hardens them at this time. That is how He “works in us… to will…” But those who are not at this time being saved will later, at another harvest “at the end of the year”, after being “tried by fire” and having “the preparations of their heart” prepared to repent of their Muslim, Buddhist, Atheistic and Christ-rejecting” ways, “they also may receive mercy… through your mercy”.

Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

The church of Christ’s time is the type and shadow of the apostate harlot church of all time. It was and it is “those Jews that believed on [Christ]” who wanted to kill Him”. It is the same to this very day. If Christ were here teaching His Mat 5-7 gospel today, and He is doing just that in those who are being persecuted for saying what He said, He would again be crucified by “those [Christians] who believe on Him”.

Joh 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

As at that time, multitudes today believe on Christ and are His disciples, but very few are His “disciples indeed” who “continue in His Word”.

Joh 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Joh 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye [Jews that believe on me] seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

“You cannot hear my word”. Hearing Christ and coming to His Father has nothing to do with any man’s will. It has only to do with those who God gives ‘eyes that see and ears that hear’. Here are Christ’s own words, concerning who was and who was not given eyes to see and ears to hear. Contrary to all orthodox teaching, here is why Christ spoke in parables:

Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given [to understand the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven].
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

No one can understand, see or hear the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, unless God drags them to Himself totally independent of their own will.

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw [Greek drag] him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So the doctrine of Christ is that you and I are clay in His hands (Jer 18:4), and He is “working all things after the counsel of His own will” [Eph 1:11], and He is ‘working in us both to will and to do… His good pleasure” (Php 2:13), and He is doing ‘all His pleasure’ [Isa 46:10], and it is God Himself who has given us “an experience of evil” and has “made us to err” and has made “even the wicked for the day of evil” within each of us. So all the sins of all mankind of all time simply demonstrate that flesh was designed by God to be sinful and to be destroyed and replaced by “a spiritual body” for all who are “in Adam”.

Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. 

Ecc 1:13 I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens:it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanityto humble them by it.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Isa 63:17 O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants’ sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.

Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.

1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially [not exclusively] of those that believe.

Like any loving father, our heavenly Father simply wants us to learn to be humble and to repent of the evil that He “made us to” do, That is the purpose for ‘giving us an experience of evil’. He did not put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the very middle of the Garden of Eden hoping against hope that man would not eat of it. He knew man would eat of it because “the vessel of clay that he made was marred in [His] hand”, and was simply incapable of avoiding sinful temptations. That is why He put it there. That is why we are told that our calling was given us “in Christ, before the world began”.

2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Christ simply doesn’t intend for the masses of those who come to him to hear his parables and His words of life to understand those words at this time. That is why Christ spoke in parables. He did NOT speak in parables to ‘make his meaning clearer’, rather He did so “because… it is not given to [the “multitudes” of Christians] to understand the mysteries of the kingdom” at this time. At this time “Many are called but few are chosen”.

Out of all the tens of thousands of “those Jews which believed on Him”, there were only 120 on the day of Pentecost who were ‘chosen’ to receive His spirit, and His mind. The church was given a time of great physical miracles which, following the resurrection of Lazarus, Christ Himself and “many saints after His resurrection”, served to establish the legitimacy of Christ’s church. But as it always has done, it soon fell victim to false prophets and apostasy.

2Ti 1:15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.

Even some of Paul most trusted “fellow laborers” had forsaken him.

2Ti 4:10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.

2Ti 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
2Ti 4:15 Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words.
2Ti 4:16 At my first answer no man stood with me, but all men forsook me: I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge.
2Ti 4:17 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

This apostasy was not just noted by Paul. John knew well what Paul was experiencing. The book of Revelation is addressed in symbolism to “the seven churches of Asia”, the very churches which had “all forsaken” the apostle Paul.

3Jn 1:9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.
3Jn 1:10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.

“Diotrephes… casts them out of the church”. That is just how complete was the apostasy of the church before the apostles were all dead, and in the same epistle which chronicles the apostasy of “all they which are in Asia, we are told that this would continue:

2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

So the Protestant Reformation notwithstanding, the deception has only gotten worse, as Martin Luther warred with and killed Catholics who were killing Protestants, and Calvin murdered Michael Servetus, burning him alive at the stake. And these men are to this very day counted as ‘great men of God’, even as they demonstrated that Christ’s words “had no place in them”.

Nevertheless, Christ is the propitiation for all men, and through the fire of the lake of fire, the most depraved men will one day be caused to confess Christ, repent of rejecting Him and His words, and will be brought by God to repent of being ” Muslims, Buddhists, and Atheists.

I hope all these plain statements from the Word of God help you to see what is in God’s Word concerning the true prayer of all sinners, and the predestined salvation of “all who are in Adam”.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 

1Co 3:13 Every man‘s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Your brother who suffers reproach because I “trust in the living God who is the Savior of all men…”

1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Mike

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